Saturday, December 14, 2013

Leinster-9 Northampton-18

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…AND THE SAINTS TAKETH AWAY

HoR pro logo bluePity I used the “Where’s Waldouck?” headline for last week’s writeup because it would have probably been even more appropriate for this match considering who was at 13 for Northampton, but never mind - I see my role here as not to write clever headlines but rather to provide some context which the mainstream media seems to have overlooked.

Why they have overlooked it is for another day’s debate, though my first suggestion would be out of delight that Leinster have proven themselves to be mortal in this competition after last week’s display because if they continued at that level there would be precious few who could stay with them.

I have attempted to break it down into five headings.

1. NORTHAMPTON - FROM POOR TO GOOD

“Not only do the dogs in the street know Northampton are going to go for it this weekend, so do the fleas on the dogs in the street. The only question is how.” 

In my preview I pointed out that the Saints were going to have to do something different, and after shifting Samu Manoa to number 8 and George North to 13 I wonder should Mallinder be praised for making the switches or questioned for not doing it last week.

Either way, on Saturday the Saints had a powerful centre who was able to finish when there was a sniff of the line, as well as extra aggression in the back row which, no offence to Shane Jennings, more than tipped the scales in the visitor’s favour when Sean O’Brien was ruled out.

Side note on North - if he goes on to succeed for Wales at 13, particularly in the 2014 Six Nations, it will always be Mallinder who should take the credit as he could have easily been tried there in November and Mr Gatland will have more question marks over him concerning an outside centre ;-)

Anyway…the context I provide here is to haul back the Sky-perbole from Messrs Harrison & Barnes who made it out as though this was some sort of epic display.  What Northampton did was raise their levels up and beyond where they should have been last week, and although they did make several errors themselves, their biggest achievement, which was thwarting Leinster’s offence by fair means or foul, is what got them the victory.

For the record I felt the Saints’ biggest error was by Kahn Fotuali’i - with less than two minutes left on the clock and a penalty advantage in his favour, his decision to take a drop goal was pure madness…if he deliberately kicked it wide it would have been genius, but since the pen was under the posts they could have wasted a ton of gameclock with the easy placekick and as things turned out it very nearly cost them.

2. LEINSTER - FROM AWESOME TO AVERAGE

In the whole “Mads or Gopps” debate among Leinster fans, gun to my head I’m on Team Madigan, but that doesn’t mean that he should get a free ride.  Leinster scored 6 tries last week and could have had a few more, with Ian a big part of that display.

But when it gets past the 60th minute and we have been denied again and again going forward in a crucial Heineken Cup fixture, it isn’t the time to be thinking about who is getting gametime to prepare for test matches which are two months away.  The Saints had made the correct adjustments to their defence, so we needed to do something different, yet we kept doing the same things expecting them to click.

Plus, though I will deal with the referee more closely in the next point, we need to be able to cope with an official who is allowing so little time for the tackled player to present the ball - Garces (for the first 70 minutes anyway) approached this area much the same as it was when we played Connacht back in October, when it was also Madigan starting and we also found it hard to get going offensively.

This isn’t a Leinster failing that is peculiar to Matt O’Connor, by the way, but since we’re focusing on this match I reckon it was screaming for Gopperth to be brought on - sure, it wouldn’t have been great for Madigan’s confidence but the way I see it winning the match comes first, especially in this competition.

As for the pack, we were bossed at the breakdown and sadly I have to look at Shane Jennings.  He had been on flying form ahead of his injury but I wonder was he ready for what needed to be a massive 60-minute shift.  I’m thinking Dominic Ryan & Jordi Murphy should be getting some serious game time over Christmas with a view to having them challenging for the January fixtures.

Last but not least, Cian Healy’s absence didn’t hurt us because of Jack McGrath replacing him, rather it did because it meant Michael Bent was needed for a 20-minute stint at a level I don’t think he’s able for.

But anyway…the point is, I want to make it clear before I deal with the refereeing that I am well aware that Leinster were way below the standards that put the three stars on their jersey.  And as an aside, Madigan’s tackle of North was quality and deserves a mention…my points above were on his general quarterbacking.

3. THE REFEREEING

Good Lord - where do I begin?  Please remember before I go on that I have made it clear that Northampton deserved the win, but the fact remains there were several glaring inconsistencies that played a part in thwarting the offence almost as much as the visitors did.

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Worst call of the night was in the above screengrab.  Garces is blowing for a penalty and says it is for “not releasing after the tackle”.  What is interesting about this is that it was actually Brian O’Driscoll who made the tackle, and as you can see he has long since released Saints number 7 Tom Wood - it is Eoin Reddan who gets pinged even though he is on his feet - the reason he ignored Garces’ call of “release!” was because he knew he wasn’t the tackler.

For the first 70 minutes of the match Garces penalised both sides if they held the ball for a fraction of a second after being tackled.  Therefore this should have been a pen to Leinster.

But the inconsistencies did not begin nor end there.  At the start of the second half a Lee Dickson fumble from the kickoff saw Leinster pummelling the Saints line.  Garces found penalty after penalty as the visitors did everything they could, both legal and illegal, to stop us but all we got out of it was a three-pointer - not so much as a warning afterwards to skipper Dylan Hartley.

To be fair in a way, in the passage of play leading to the Fotuali’i drop goal, the ref didn’t warn us either after finding several penalties on our part, but how he didn’t see one in that final frantic spell as the clock went red, I will never know.  All the greatest hits were there - in from the side, hands on the ball, beyond the last foot, even not releasing after the tackle.

Again, there are no guarantees we would have gotten the match-winning try had a penalty been called.  BUT - we absolutely must NOT fault Jamie Heaslip for dropping the ball when he did.  It was his quick tap and charge down the pitch which was reminiscent of his Grand Slam 2009 form that set up the chance in the first place. 

The fact remains, the series of phases should not have gone that far and we should have at the very least had the option of going for a penalty try, assuming the ref had actually left his cards back in France.

4. THE BOOING

Stu Barnes suggested Dylan Hartley was substituted because he had given everything.  He didn’t have a bad game alright, but I reckon he was taken off before he got himself sent to the line.  He had just conceded a blatant pen as we had good attacking ball and if the ref had issued a warning earlier as I mentioned, we could have had a man advantage for that last spell.

The reason I mention that here is that the booing started when Hartley’s not-so-pretty mug appeared on the big screen just as Stephen Myler was lining up a penalty kick.  Sadly when we have a crowd as big as this one there are those who just don’t “get” the game of rugby and while those who booed the sight of Hartley may have stopped, others misunderstood it and carried it on through the kick, which is of course inexcusable. 

But to those who used that incident to take a pop at Leinster fans in particular, a resounding boo to you.  It is has been a blight right throughout the sport since it went pro and anyone who says they never hear it at their own ground is either selectively deaf or blatantly lying.  At smaller grounds it is easier to stamp out, but it still happens and in this age of spiralling wages we unfortunately need every 40k+ crowd we can get.

What can we do about it?  Short of pro-active “please respect the kicker” announcements at the beginning of every half, I’m not so sure.  But on behalf of the tens of thousands of genuine Leinster rugby fans, apologies to the Saints for that particular incident.

5. HOW POOL ONE STANDS

One year ago we got a late try that pinched a losing bonus against Clérmont  - this time around, we had it taken away by Elliot’s opportunist sprint down the field.  We may have played below our usual standards, but we did not deserve that.

Still…does this mean it’s armageddon in Pool One for Leinster?  Absolutely not.  Not only would we have taken a 5-4 match point win in this back-to-back series when the draw was made, we would have offered a couple of limbs to go into round 5 with a 4 point lead atop the pool.

But since the media are so keen to remind us that the Saints did to us what they did to Ulster last season, maybe I should offer another Northampton stat for reference…in the 2010/11 campaign, they won all their pool games which meant nothing in that second half in Cardiff, so losing a pool match, even one at home, is not the end of the road for Leinster.

So don’t go ruling us out just yet.  JLP

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Also this weekend

Heineken Cup

Glasgow 7 - 9 Cardiff Blues

Ospreys 21 - 12 Castres

Benetton Treviso 3 - 35 Ulster

Toulon 32 - 20 Exeter Chiefs

Saracens 64 - 3 Zebre

Perpignan 17 - 18 Munster

Scarlets 13 - 31 Clermont Auvergne

Connacht 9 - 37 Toulouse

Harlequins 17 - 3 Racing Metro

Gloucester Rugby 10 - 16 Edinburgh

Montpellier 14 - 15 Leicester Tigers

POOL ONE PLD W D L F A BP PTS
LEINSTER 4 3 0 1 87 41 1 13
NORTHAMPTON 4 2 0 2 65 64 1 9
CASTRES 4 2 0 2 53 63 0 8
OSPREYS 4 1 0 3 55 73 1 5

British & Irish Cup

Cross Keys 14 - 30 Leinster A

POOL ONE PLD W D L F A BP PTS
LEINSTER A 4 4 0 0 134 44 3 19
CROSS KEYS 4 2 0 2 58 92 1 9
MOSELEY 4 1 0 3 84 75 3 7
EALING TRAILFINDERS 4 1 0 3 54 119 0 4

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  • Friday, December 13, 2013

    The Pagano Preview Dec 13-15

    Every Friday lunchtime I look ahead to the weekend's rugby for the Irish provinces and beyond.


    Yet more meetings and statements and conjecture this week over the future of European rugby, this time with the Welsh in the spotlight.

    To be honest I have to laugh at some of the rants I read from (some) Welsh fans which suggest the problems in the game there are somehow to do with the ERC, the Rabo, the Irish, Alain Rolland, or anything else that doesn’t have them turning the magnifying glass on themselves.

    Is it Ireland’s fault we managed to raise the standards of the provincial game on these shores to the level that we did when the other Celtic countries failed?  

    Is it our fault that we managed it even though we were up against not just soccer but two GAA sports as well? 

    Is it our fault the supposedly fourth-best Welsh region won’t be winning at the Stade Ernest-Wallon anytime soon?

    When the game went pro, the individual unions agreed on one thing above all else…each wanted as much control over their own game as they could possibly muster, so any body created to run cross-border tournaments, be it ERC, Six Nations Ltd or even Pro12, was going to exist purely for logistical purposes.

    It is definitely not Ireland’s fault that Wales and Scotland have struggled to stimulate interest in the game locally.  If anything we have done it too well here in that it created such a passion for playing in provincial jerseys that uniting for the test team became more difficult.

    While I can see the thinking behind the Welsh fans’ preference to join an Anglo-Welsh competition (if you’re not going to have any success in a league, it might as well be in one where your fans are interested in the opposition so there will be more bums on seats), the fact that the Celtic League has existed for so long now has created a dependence that hopefully enough of our Welsh cousins realise cannot be broken.

    They need to do what they can to close the gap between the union, regions and fans while still acknowledging their responsibilities to the game on the continent as a whole.  If they approach the talks with that mindset, things won’t turn out so bad.

    On with my previews…I have included the fixtures for Japan’s Top League because the club names are so goddam cool. JLP


    Friday, December 13

    Heineken Cup

    Glasgow Warriors v Cardiff Blues, 8pm

    To coin a (rather crude I know) phrase, this pool is tighter than a camel’s arse in a sandstorm.  Glasgow lie in last place yet only 5 points off Toulon at the top, so a win will put them right back up there in contention.  They have Treviso coming up in the Rabo  next week so it’s not as though they can ill afford to throw caution to the wind in front of their home crowd.  The Warriors’ bench should prove too strong on the night though I wonder if it will be as much as the 12-point bookies margin suggests. Glasgow by 7

    Ospreys v Castres Olympique, 8pm

    Once again a European campaign goes down the toilet for a Welsh region after just three rounds, see my preamble above.  Things are so bad that the bookies are actually favouring a French victory away from home tonight.  I’m not so sure…a part of me says this one is going to be a home win.  Even though it’s probably the part of me that knows a Welsh win will greatly help Leinster, I’m going to go with it and this will be my Upset Of The Week.  Ospreys by 8

    Amlin Cup

    Sale Sharks v Oyonnax, 8pm

    British & Irish Cup

    All four provinces are still mathematically in quarterfinal contention after three rounds, but if any of them badly need a win this weekend it’s the Ulster Ravens who have just one win out of three and have the Cornish Pirates in their pool who are no strangers to success in this tournament.   Munster need to beat Plymouth tonight and stop them getting a bonus to make things easier for the final two rounds, while even a point for Connacht on their tricky trip to Bedford will keep them in contention.  Holders Leinster A win three wins out of three seem to be best poised but they may find a hostile reception awaited their youngsters at Cross Keys RFC.

    Munster A v Plymouth Albion, 7:30pm

    Ulster Ravens v Ayr, 7:30pm

    Saturday, December 14

    Heineken Cup

    Toulon v Exeter Chiefs, 1:35pm

    The Chiefs are proving to be masters at keeping within touching distance of reigning Euro champs at the first attempt, staying within 7 of Toulon last week as they did against Leinster last season.  Still, with a bench including Castrogiovanni, Wilko & Michalak, I don’t see a Connacht-style away upset happening here.  Toulon by 14

    Benetton Treviso v Ulster, 1:35pm

    Ulster must surely be seeing both this match and next week’s visit of Zebre as mere warmups for the trip to the RDS on the 28th when revenge for last May’s Pro12 final would be oh so sweet. 

    For this reason they will be keen to wrap up the try bonus early in Treviso before Mark Anscombe whips out the cotton wool.

    With an all-star backline of Pienaar, Jackson, Gilroy, Marshall, Cave, Trimble & Payne they should really make light work of it, plus there’s one or two in the forwards keen to catch Joe Schmidt’s eye like Dan Tuohy.

    No offence meant to the Italians but the gulf in class is too wide to even offer comparative analysis here.  Ulster by 20

    Saracens v Zebre, 3pm

    Zebras?  Lambs more like. As in “to the slaughter”. Sarries by 25

    Perpignan v Munster, 3:40pm

    Catalan pride is pretty much all USAP have to play for here, and if ever there was a time an Irish province could go to France expecting a try bonus it’s here.

    Which is why Rob Penney’s men will be tested to the fullest in this encounter.  They most certainly have the players to go at their opposition from the kickoff, particularly with Donnacha Ryan back in the starting XV, but whether they manage it or not remains to be seen.

    A bit like Northampton, Perpignan’s best bet is to get under the skin of their Irish opposition and there are certainly some characters on the Munster side who could respond to such a challenge.

    I still think it will be a positive response however, though they may fall short of the bonus point.  Munster by 7.

    Scarlets v Clérmont, 3:40pm

    This is most certainly a match the Welsh region can win.  What’s more the fact that it will make it a hat-trick of victories for the regions in this competition will provide even more motivation for Simon Easterby’s men.  But they’ll need to get at them early on because with the likes of Nathan Hines and Brock James in reserve Les Jaunards should prvail in an 80-minute slog and I reckon that’s what they’ll do. Clérmont by 5

    Leinster v Northampton Saints, 6pm

    Not only do the dogs in the street know Northampton are going to go for it this weekend, so do the fleas on the dogs in the street.  The only question is how.

    Which leaves Matt O’Connor something of a dilemma…does he trust his defence and allow the Saints come at Leinster for the first quarter to see what they have planned, or do they try a similar blitzkreig to wrap it up by halftime again?

    One thing is for sure…naming an identical matchday 23 is a powerful statement for O’Connor to make in these unique back-to-back series, and no doubt the 40k+ crowd will be keen to see what path they choose on the day.

    dublin weatherAccording to the weather forecast, one thing will be different from last week.  Rain throughout the afternoon will make the “Leinstertainment” factor more difficult to get going and this could well suit the changes made by Neil Mallinder.

    Definitely in wet conditions it will be a stern test for Ian Madigan’s game management.

    Samu Manoa reverts to number 8 to make full use of his physicality and I expect things to get heated early.  Much the way Leinster targeted Ken Pisi (who interestingly retains his spot at full-back) the Saints may well poke around the Leinster pack looking for a tender spot.

    For me we should know how this one will go by the 20-minute mark…if the scores are still close it could well go down to the wire, while if Leinster manage to cross the line early, there could well be a repeat of last week. 

    With the weather and the Saints’ pride I have a feeling it’s going to be the former, but the home side should still prevail. With a try bonus to put us on the brink of the last eight after just four rounds?  Do-able but not likely.  Leinster by 8

    Connacht v Toulouse, 6pm

    I always have to point out to new readers of my previews that I NEVER back Connacht to win, out of superstition more than pessimism. 

    Nobody east of the Shannon was more happy than I was to see them triumph last weekend, though a dose of man-flu seems to be hampering their chances of completing an unbelievable double.

    Of course Guy Noves, who some might say is the “Sir Alex” of European rugby, has had his hairdryer in overdrive with his players over the plast couple of weeks, so Pat Lam’s men will have to be primed for some sort of back-lash.

    There is plenty of talent in the Connacht squad, not to mention gust in the Galway gales, to make a repeat victory possible.  But as I said, I must bow to tradition with my forecast.  Toulouse by 7

    Women’s Interprovincials

    Munster v Leinster, 1pm

    Thomond Park is the venue for this winner-take-all encounter.  Online streaming on the IRFU site wouldn’t have gone amiss as the women’s game gets more and more deserving of further coverage.  Best of luck to head coach Rob Forbes, Leinster captain Mary-Louise Reilly and all the girls heading down to Limerick.

    Amlin Cup

    Calvisano v Newcastle Falcons, 1:30pm

    Viadana v Bayonne, 2pm

    Bath v Mogliano, 3pm

    Stade Francais v London Irish, 8pm

    British & Irish Cup

    Bedford Blues v Connacht Eagles, 3pm

    Cross Keys v Leinster A, 3pm

    Top League

    Toshiba Brave Lupus v NEC Green Rockets, 3am

    Yamaha Jubilo v Canon Eagles, 4am

    Suntory Sungoliath, Panasonic Wild Knights, 5:15am

    Sunday, December 15

    Heineken Cup

    Harlequins v Racing Métro, 12:45pm

    Quins really put the cat among the pigeons in this pool with their win in Paris, and although RM92 have named a strong squad for The Stoop, I can’t see them reversing the result this time around, though it should at least be closer.  Quins by 10

    Montpellier v Leicester Tigers, 3pm

    Ulster will be hoping, nay praying that the Montpellier do them a favour here much as the Ospreys did for Leinster.  They can probably afford to have a go today as they won’t expect much from their Top14 trip to Toulon next weekend anyway, but I still think the Tigers will nick this one.  Leicester by 3

    Gloucester v Edinburgh, 3pm

    Sincere apologies to fans of both teams, but I’m falling asleep even thinking about this fixture.  One thing I do find interesting however…with the Worcester Warriors struggling at the foot of the Premiership, Glaws can almost (I stress the word almost) put all their resources into challenging Munster for top spot in this pool and should really go after the try bonus here to make it all to play for at Kingsholm in January.  I reckon they’ll at least get that much done. Gloucester by 12

    Women’s Interprovincials

    Ulster v Connacht, 1pm

    Amlin Cup

    London Wasps v Grenoble, 3pm

    Top League

    Kobelco Steelers v Toyota Verblitz, 4am


    Be sure and enjoy your rugby this weekend wherever you are. JLP

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